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My formal name is James L. Woodward, but I prefer to be called "Jim"

Some ancient deletion request(s)

Hi, I'm currently working through Category:Media needing categories (Cyrillic names) and came across a file that was nominated for deletion in 2016: Commons:Deletion requests/File:Яблочки.jpg. You were the admin who closed the request as "kept", which is perfectly understandable given the nomination rationale. However, I've noticed that it was the uploader who nominated the file for deletion, and they did so within 7 days after upload, so maybe the file should have been deleted after all no matter the invalid reason for deletion? I haven't checked all files of that ulooader yet, however, they nominated at least another one of their then recent uploads for deletion and yet the files were kept. I don't know whether the files should be deleted retrospectively or not, just thought I'll bring it to your attention for consideration since there appear to be several affected files if you look through the uploader's contributions. Nakonana (talk) 20:31, 20 February 2025 (UTC)

If I might chime in, my personal approach is that in cases where COM:CSD#G7 would have been applicable anyway and the uploader "mistakenly" filed a regular DR, I process the DR as a G7 case, that is, the uploader's wish is enough. But after so many years... - the image might now be in use by external users, I would rather keep it now. Gestumblindi (talk) 21:36, 20 February 2025 (UTC)

It's not in use, but it is a perfectly good image of apples, so I think we should keep it. .     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 21:39, 20 February 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, I pretty much agree with the two of you. It probably should have been handled as G7, but after so many years and with it being a decent photo, it's tricky. I wasn't sure how such a case should be handled that's why I asked. But it looks like there's consensus to keep it. Nakonana (talk) 19:41, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:SkyWest, Inc. logo.svg

@Jameslwoodward:Hi,its should be deleted or kept?? (Google translator) AbchyZa22 (talk) 14:55, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

Borderline. .     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 20:09, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

Commons:Undeletion_requests/Current_requests#File:SageBravura_and_Lexi_(Minecraft_Character_Render)_USING_Mine-Imator_2.0.png

@Jameslwoodward I explained why the image is in scope and no counterargument as to it being in scope was provided. The deletion reason was not valid. We were discussing the copyright status of the image and the block of the uploader. Please unclose the request, I did not get the chance to reply to the last message from Bedivere.  $999$REAL 💬 ⬆   15:06, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) The big issue is that the uploader is a self-promoter, and as such this file is anti-educational. As said, I agree that there probably isn't a copyright issue. Our projects are not here for SageBravura to promote themselves. Abzeronow (talk) 19:58, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

As I explained and no one contested, the image has educational use. If there was no copyright issue, we can edit out anything "self promotional" from the page. But I don't know with who you are "agreeing" that there probably isn't a copyright issue, because it was me who brought it up.

I understand the user did self promotion, but please understand, it's not uncommon in social media to post links to other social media, and I think clearly the user is not too old and probably didn't read much rules before doing those edits. But they were not given any warning before being indefinitely blocked. This image is clearly in scope and I don't see any reason the user couldn't produce more useful contributions.  $999$REAL 💬 ⬆   20:26, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

It is a waste of your time and mine to argue issues in two places. There was a significant consensus that the image was out of scope. .     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 14:05, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Well, you threatened to block me if I open another UDR. Did you even read past the file name, or did you assume I am the uploader of the file and immediately close the request? Because it's not me who uploaded the file, but I am a contributor on this project, so even if this image was not in scope, I am allowed to use it as my personal image if I want. Again, nothing about the image itself is self promotional and it has a clear educational use. Just claiming that the image is not in scope won't make it true.  $999$REAL 💬 ⬆   14:53, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

The image is a Minecraft rendering of the uploader and their significant other, it's by definition a self-promotional work. The uploader is not notable and therefore this is out of scope. Abzeronow (talk) 18:50, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

So if an image is self promotional it nullfiies all other educational use of the image?  $999$REAL 💬 ⬆   19:21, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Commons:Undeletion_requests/Current_requests#File:Chelle-Lis-2024.jpg

Hey James, I mentioned that the artist licensed the picture under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 license on her Facebook, and I saw that you supported my response. However, some of the others still have concerns. What do you suggest I do next?

ToPSURJ4311 (talk) 20:37, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

I myself wondered about the subject's claim that it is a selfie -- it does not have the feel of one, but I took her word; my colleagues did not, feeling, perhaps, that she may simply not understand the issue. The only thing to do is to have the subject send a note to VRT. There is nothing you can do and, in particular, you may not reload the image. .     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 16:48, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Logo Movimiento al Socialismo (Venezuela)

@Jameslwoodward:Buenas ,en que año estará al Dominio Público (Venezuela) el logo de Movimiento al Socialismo de Venezuela (este partido fundado en 1971) según Commons:Venezuela dice que son 60 años después de la publicación?? AbchyZa22 (talk) 12:25, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Google translation: "Hello, in what year will the logo of the Movement Towards Socialism of Venezuela (this party founded in 1971) be in the Public Domain (Venezuela) according to Commons: Venezuela says it is 60 years after publication?"

In this case you must remember that the URAA applies, so the USA copyright will expire 95 years after first publication. .     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 13:03, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

@Jameslwoodward:In Venezuela (in 2031 a PD image) but in USA?? (Google translator) AbchyZa22 (talk) 16:05, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

95 years after first publication. .     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 19:41, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

@Jameslwoodward:Ok, the logo of MAS is PD in USA (2066).thank you AbchyZa22 (talk) 21:19, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

AbchyZa22 it is actually PD on 1/1/2067. Almost all copyrights expire at midnight December 31. Note that you don't need to ping me on my own talk page -- the system does it for you. .     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 21:37, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

DR:Pergamon World Atlas

Hi, thanks for closing Commons:Deletion requests/Pergamon World Atlas. Did you attach the note for Undeletion in 2039? --Enyavar (talk) 07:26, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

No, feel free to do it if you wish. .     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 13:06, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Never did this before, so is adding the Undelete category all that needs to be done? All the best, --Enyavar (talk) 14:47, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes, but the URAA applies, so they will have a US copyright until 1/1/2063 (95 years after publication year). .     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 16:45, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

If the URAA applies, then someone needs to urgently redesign the Help page that explains it, because the logic that is explained on that page says that the URAA does not apply. --Enyavar (talk) 15:09, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Right you are -- the atlas was simultaneously published in the USA, so the URAA does not apply. However, the US edition has a copyright notice, so the expiration date is the same, 1/1/2063. (bottom of left hand page at https://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~205342~3002366?qvq=q%3Apergamon%3Bsort%3APub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No%3Blc%3ARUMSEY~8~1&mi=4&trs=250) .     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 21:17, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Copy from email to me

I have numbered the four questions below for convenience.

[begins]

Hi. You removed this image a few years ago: User_talk:Jameslwoodward/Archive_2019#File:Freeciv-2.1.0-beta3-sdl_slack11.0.png

I was using it on the Minicarte article, and this has lead to its automatic removal by CommonsDelinker : https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mini-carte&diff=prev&oldid=165388435

The end result is that a free game SC with maybe a copyrighted map has now been replaced by a fully proprietary software SC on the current version : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini-carte

This brings a few questions.

1. - It is not illegal per se to have SC of proprietary content as long as it is within the right to quote. It certainly is for a video game.
2. - But maybe Wikipedia has a policy to favor libre content (that would make sense) ?
3. - In this case, would a libre map of a libre game be accepted?
4. - If this new image has been accepted so far, has the policy changed ?

To speak plainly, the OG SC was better to illustrate the point, I picked it then as it shows a clear sub-frame, with the main screen showing undiscovered areas and fog of war.

Regards [ends] User:Dalc'husted

First, email is reserved for messages that need to be confidential for one reason or another. Email is a time consuming nuisance for both of us. Requests of this nature need to be public.

Second, the reason I gave in answer to the talk page question you cite above is complete and correct. While the software is free, works created with it have a copyright.

As for your questions:

1. "The right to quote" is Fair Use which cannot be permitted on Commons. See COM:FAIRUSE
2. I used Libreoffice as a simple example of free software that allows the creation of copyrighted works. Nothing more was implied.
3. see #2
4. What new image? The image you cite is from 2008. It was created on software that explicitly allows downloads of works created with it under GFDL.

You may, of course, request undeletion at Commons:Undeletion requests, but I will oppose it.

.     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 14:28, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Batteriestraße (Neuss)

Please restore this gallery and inform me on my disc. I create pages for the streets in Neuss (Germany) and could find and correct some errors on media description pages already. I will add on that page more pictures. Thank you. --Paintdog (talk) 21:34, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Please understand that galleries with only one image are not allowed and will be deleted. I will delete this one again tomorrow unless you add to it. .     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 09:20, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. By the way, I didn’t receive a notification about your answer through MediaWiki's notification function. --Paintdog (talk) 07:26, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

File:Invisible Force-Between Heaven and Earth 2022 Kirishima Open Air Museum 01/02.jpg

Hi, Jim.
You've helped me before, thank you again!
TAQUEDA, Atsuo (talk) 02:06, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

File:Painted tomb walls from Thutmose III’s tomb.jpg

Dear Admin Jim,

I uploaded this image because I think it is 2D art and not 3D Art. If you think I am in error, please let me know and I will ask that the image be deleted. The tomb walls are painted and written but not carved...so it should not be a 3D relief. If it is a carved relief, obviously it is 3D art. But what do you think? Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 02:40, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

• Here is another example of a written or painted hieroglyph text from this tomb: File:Egypt.KV34.05.jpg. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 02:42, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

Seems OK to me. .     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 17:03, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

• Thanks for your kind analysis Admin Jim. It is always appreciated. Best Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 19:09, 20 April 2025 (UTC)